Stop talking about "saving". Talk instead about "demand for assets". You will be happier, and your head will be clearer. Your students too will be happier, and their heads will be clearer.
Demand for assets is a thing; saving is a non-thing (a residual). Things are clearer than non-things. Saving is the part of your income you do not spend on consumption. OK, so what do you do with your income, if you don't spend it on consumption? You buy/accumulate assets.
Assets are things too. Like land, houses, machines, shares, bonds, IOUs, etc. And buying those assets is a thing people do. "Supplying loanable funds" sounds totally different, and much narrower, as well as confusing.
"Demand" is a familiar concept. And we are familiar with the distinctions between: demand curve (or function); quantity demanded; and quantity actually bought. There's no need for novel distinctions between ex ante/planned/desired/whatever vs ex post/actual/whatever.
Assets have prices. And if those prices are flexible, asset prices adjust so that demand equals supply. And if assets pay rents, or coupons, or dividends, or whatever you call those returns, a rise in asset prices means a drop in asset yields. You can call that drop in yields a "drop in interest rates" if you wish, but we don't normally call the rent/price ratio on houses or farmland a "rate of interest".
Talking about "demand and supply of assets", instead of "saving and investment", also clarifies the adding-up condition, so we can better understand and avoid fallacies of composition. Each individual can buy land to own more, but we can't all buy land to own more, unless the Dutch are creating more land ("investment"). So the price of land rises (and the rent/price ratio yield on land falls), until we stop all wanting to buy land. This is very standard; a downward-sloping demand curve shifts right, so it intersects a vertical supply curve at a higher price.
And of course there's a flow/stock distinction to be made when we talk about "demand for assets", just like there's a distinction between the flow of new saving and the stock of existing savings ("wealth"). The flow supply curve of new land is vertical at zero acres (unless the Dutch are doing their thing), but the stock supply curve is vertical at billions of acres.
Anyway: let's ditch that old "Loanable Funds" diagram, with "rate of interest" on the vertical axis, and "Saving" and "Investment" curves, and replace it with a new diagram, with "price of assets" on the vertical axis, and demand and supply curves for the flow of new assets. It's the same diagram. It's just that the old diagram was upside down, and had confusing misleading labels.
OK. That was the simple bit. Now for the difficult bits. Because doing it this way forces us to think about some difficult questions that we couldn't see before, because they had been swept under the rug.
- Flow saving vs stock portfolio composition. It is standard practice (or at least common practice) for macroeconomists to separate out the Flow Consumption/Saving decision from the stock portfolio composition decision. What we are implicitly doing is taking a massively heterogeneous collection of different assets, then defining a "composite commodity" ("composite asset") that is supposed to let us treat choices about its magnitude and composition separately. Is it legitimate to do this? And if it is legitimate (if that "composite asset" exists), what does it look like? I don't know the answer to those questions. My guess is it probably isn't strictly legitimate to do this, but we can't stop ourselves from doing it anyway. And even if it were legitimate, the composite asset would probably look very different from the safe, liquid, nominal asset ("bonds"?) we have in mind when we talk about "the rate of interest".
- Money. All assets are different, but the asset that gets used as Unit of Account and Medium of Exchange is more different than all the others. First, because Unit of Account money doesn't have a price of its own -- the price of money is just the reciprocal of the price of everything else. And (unless you believe the general price level is perfectly flexible, which I don't) that makes the price of money sticky. So even if the prices of other assets can easily adjust to equilibrate demand and supply, the price of money can't. Plus, there is only one way for an individual to accumulate more land, which is to buy more land, which means finding a willing seller, which you won't be able to do if everyone wants to buy land and the price of land is sticky. But there is a second way an individual can accumulate more Medium of Exchange money, simply by buying less of everything else, and nobody else can stop you doing that. But if everyone tries to accumulate money by buying less of everything else, we get a fall in the total volume of trade, including trade in newly-produced goods, which is what economists call "a recession". So the central bank needs to do the right thing with the money supply to prevent that happening.
- Units. When we write down "C+S = Y = C+I" we must be measuring C, S, Y and I in the same units. And this works fine if assets and consumption goods always have the same relative price. But of course they don't (unless assets and consumption goods are perfect substitutes in supply, in which case we would just consume the existing stock of capital goods if we wanted too, and the asset supply "investment" curve would be perfectly elastic). So we can say the stock of land is fixed if we measure it in acres, but the stock of land is certainly not fixed if we measure it in units of the consumption good ("corn"). And if we think about "saving" this way, as a rising value of the stock of assets, measured in consumption goods, it is perfectly possible for everyone to save 10% of their incomes while consuming 100% of their incomes. All that's needed is for the price of land to be rising quickly enough for (realised or unrealised) capital gains on land to equal 10% of income from production of goods.
Anyway, that's enough for now.
This is a fantastic post and I thank you for it. In a just world it would be on the first page of Google results for the query "loanable funds".
Posted by: Owen | January 02, 2021 at 05:26 PM
Thanks Owen!
Posted by: Nick Rowe | January 02, 2021 at 06:59 PM
Nick, eagerly awaiting the second installment...
Posted by: marcus nunes | January 02, 2021 at 10:18 PM
Thanks marcus! Will have to clear my head a bit, before tackling the next bits.
Posted by: Nick Rowe | January 02, 2021 at 10:30 PM
Great post, Nick. I've always found it more intuitive to think in terms of demand-for-assets than saving-investment.
"Assets are things too. Like land, houses, machines, shares, bonds, IOUs, etc."
You added etc. at the end of that sentence. If houses are included as assets, can we let things like cars and sofas leak into this category? Antiques? What about things I keep in my refrigerator/pantry, like spices or pickles or honey? They have a longer life than some of the assets I've bought, say like a 3-month Treasury bill.
Posted by: JP Koning | January 03, 2021 at 08:47 AM
Lots of good stuff in here. Back to the old "Abolish Saving" post that I've been sharing ever since...
A few different ways of thinking about this that have helped me untangle it:
>so what do you do with your income, if you don't spend it on consumption? You buy/accumulate assets.
"Accumulate" is right! "Buy" confuses people. Once you receive income, you've got the assets. (Probably M assets). You don't need to buy them.
You can swap them for different assets, of course, to change your (and the other swapper's) portfolio composition. (If you're holding non-M assets, this will prob be a two-step process: swap Apple shares for M assets, and M assets for Treasuries. Because sellers almost all insist on receiving fixed-price M assets for purchases. But that's just mechanical.)
And swapping assets is not an choice alternative to buying (and maybe consuming) newly produced goods and services. "Should I rebalance my portfolio tonight, or go out for an opulent dinner?" That's not an apples to Apple decision.
>the asset that gets used as Unit of Account and Medium of Exchange
Can make this clearer, I think:
The unit of account is an (arbitrary) measurement unit that is used to numerate value for heterogenous goods. Can't xfer The Inch to someone, only inches of something.
Most (all?) financial instruments — including land titles — have variable market prices numerated in the UoA. (For ~85% of assets, that price is instantly or fairly easily observable.)
But yes, M instruments (your MofE?) are special: Their price is institutionally hard-pegged to the unit of account. (That's their sine qua non.) So, all that portfolio swapping/churn can have zero effect on either P or Q of M assets.
Pre-GFC, the Q of M assets could only change quite slowly via commercial bank net new lending. The complex mechanics of QE etc has changed that, but still, ignoring those Fed/bank machinations: The market can only effectuate a collective desire for a higher proportion of M assets by everyone selling down (in circles) the price of variable-priced assets.
Voila, less wealth, with a higher % being M assets.
Which means that nominal holding gains/losses — largely ignored in econ theory — are the very mechanism whereby "demand for money" and related concepts have their market effects.
I'll stop there, thanks for listening...
Posted by: Steve Roth | January 03, 2021 at 12:06 PM
Thanks JP! I would definitely include those things as assets. And when we think of it this way, it seems a bit daft to draw a line between *immediate* consumption vs everything else, which is what the standard accounting does. Does it even make sense to distinguish newly-produced vs used goods? Recessions are declines in trade, not just trade in newly-produced goods.
(The thing I should have been more explicit about though is the "double counting" problem. Like if a firm issues shares to buy land. We can't count both the shares and the land. *But*, those shares are much more liquid than the land, so may be worth more. Which brings up the whole issue of financial intermediation, of course.)
Posted by: Nick Rowe | January 03, 2021 at 12:22 PM
Thanks Steve: My apologies; I just found your comment stuck in the spam filter, and fished it out.
""Accumulate" is right! "Buy" confuses people. Once you receive income, you've got the assets. (Probably M assets). You don't need to buy them. "
Yep! I kept thinking about how to write that little bit. "Buy assets" works for most assets, but doesn't work for money (though we still talk about "demand for money"). And we accumulate assets when we buy them, and I wanted "accumulate" in there, so I wondered about saying "buy and accumulate", but that sounds like 2 separate things. So eventually went for "buy/accumulate".
Posted by: Nick Rowe | January 03, 2021 at 07:39 PM
I like this, Nick. But I always struggle with the demand curve for assets. This Warren Buffett quote always does it for me: “I’m going to buy hamburgers the rest of my life. When hamburgers go down in price, we sing the ‘Hallelujah Chorus’ in the Buffett household. When hamburgers go up in price, we weep. For most people, it’s the same with everything in life they will be buying — except stocks. When stocks go down and you can get more for your money, people don’t like them anymore.” This might just be an edge case for assets but still complicates the intuition somewhat!
Posted by: Ravi Varghese | January 03, 2021 at 08:20 PM
Thanks Ravi. The thing with assets, unlike hamburgers, is that when people buy assets they are usually planning to sell them again, later. So a price that is higher means the same flow of dividends (or rents/whatever) costs you more, so you want to buy less (like hamburgers). But a price that is *rising more quickly* means you get more when you sell it later, so you want to buy more (unlike hamburgers). It's the distinction between a *high* price and a *rising* price. But people don't always get that distinction, and extrapolate from a price that has risen to a price that will rise in future.
Put "price" on the axis, and the demand curve slopes down. Put "rate of change of the price" on the axis, and the demand curve slopes up.
Posted by: Nick Rowe | January 03, 2021 at 09:41 PM
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A quick attempt to untangle this from the 'Accounting View' for those interested (see link in name):
What you call assets needs to be divided into two different types of things.
1) There are things I possess / own (have a title to) which, depending on the right conveyed by the title, have a marketable value for me in the foreseeable future. These assets count towards my savings. The markets for these assets, subject to supply and demand, tell me what my saving is worth (exchange value) in terms of the unit of account. Accountants can determine this value according to different methods (mark to market, e.g.) periodically.
2) Then there is my trading history. I may have given assets or goods such as my thoughts, labour, land, other endowments to someone else which, if I'm not altruistically enclined (say, as stay-home parent), I will want to have recorded in one of the following ways according to my risk preferences: as money (low risk, low return social credit), bonds / IOUs (higher risk social or private credit), equity (high risk private credit) etc...
These records will hopefully allow me to acquire any of the things covered by 1), as well as consumer goods, in future. For each unit recorded on my behalf for a good given, someone else must have one unit subtracted for a good received from their account. Goods sold = goods bought. This equality is what makes balance sheets balance. They measure social relations between (groups of) people.
For me, as an individual, 1) and 2) are more or less interchangeable as they both represent future goods. The mix of 1) and 2) determines my net value (=savings) which might be positive or negative or 0 as well as my risk profile (leverage etc.). Individuals do not have balance sheets.
Money is special in the sense that the counter-party to a credit unit is society as a whole (including myself) which, in turn, makes it low risk / reward (i.e. acceptable to hold at 0 interest) and, for most practical purposes, interchangeable with the UoA.
To the extent that the goods described in 1) are 'funds', they are not loaned. A good received on credit must not be returned for the debt to be extinguished (unless explicitly stated in a contract = special case). Rather, any good of equal value, as measured in the UoA (plus interest), even one not yet existent, can be sold for the debt to be extinguished. The only requirement is that someone else chooses to buy it.
This also means that each and every credit transaction (2) is subject to the risk that the debt cannot be repaid. The assessment of this risk can be expressed in terms of an interest rate or any other mechanism by which accounts are adjusted to reflect such a (real) loss, once it is recognised. OTOH, a loss expected but not incurred is a (real) gain. These risks / rewards do not disappear if people change their preference over whether to hold their records in one type of account or another. So there is a kind of macro Miler Modigliani theorem at work concerning 'portfolio preferences'.
Without the system of record-keeping in place, goods would not need to be valued in terms of a UoA. The value of land, for example, would be restricted to its immediate use value (as a place for dwelling, subsistence farming, enjoying a view etc.) and could, to the extent that there is some kind of property right, be passed on, say from one generation to the next, without mention of an exchange value.
There are things (past, present or future) and there is a system by which we keep track of things changing owners.
Posted by: Oliver | January 06, 2021 at 03:06 AM
I apologize for this question; I am not an economist. I am asking for your definition of ‘income’; it seems you are excluding so-called “capital gains.” My income for a certain period is not the change in my net worth. It is a factor—a component--in that change, but there are other factors, one of which is my capital gain (or loss). Are there other factors? Taxation? Theft? Dividends, interest, rents? Anything else?
If I sell my labor for wages(/salary), my wages are income. If I labor to repair my automobile, after which it is worth more than before, this is a capital gain, not income. If, instead of doing my own repair, I work overtime for pay and hire a mechanic to repair the car, I have more income (and, probably, so does the mechanic), though from my point of view the result is practically the same. If I write a novel, the labor of writing is uncompensated—like repairing my own auto—so, no income. If I then sell it to a publisher, I reap a capital gain—still not income. But if I was hired as a writer and paid by the hour, my writing would bring income.
Similarly for “entrepreneurial” activity: setting up and running my own business is, at least in part, creating a capital asset—thus, capital gain. But some of the labor of running the business can be passed off onto hired workers, while I spend the time I thereby save working for someone else for pay, which is income for me. If hire no employees in my business, some of my work, arguably, should be counted as labor, for which I am paying myself an implicit salary. But since the salary is only implicit, it is not income. (Can I make it explicit by reporting it to the taxing authority? What if there is no tax on businesses, thus no one to whom to report?)
I am hoping that your answer will make it clear whether “income” is a concept that is valuable for basic economic analysis, or whether, instead, it is an arbitrary social construct, of no theoretical importance.
(In the comments you question distinctions that seem fundamental to economic theory—consumption-goods/capital-goods and newly-produced/already-existing. Why does economics rest on such shaky distinctions?)
Posted by: Philo | January 06, 2021 at 12:41 PM
Oliver: thanks for the good comment. As you know, I disagree with your perspective, but it's still useful to be able to see things another way.
Philo: I have a *lot* of sympathy with your comment. Economists tend to divide up the world into certain categories, and it's not obvious to me that those categories make the most sense.
Here's one old post where I said something sorta similar:
https://worthwhile.typepad.com/worthwhile_canadian_initi/2011/12/why-y.html
And a second:
https://worthwhile.typepad.com/worthwhile_canadian_initi/2012/01/macroeconomics-and-the-celestial-emporium-of-benevolent-knowledge.html
But let me try to take the other side, and defend the standard convention:
Macroeconomists are especially interested in the level of output -- production of new goods and services. So we define "income" and "expenditure" in such a way that we get the fundamental National Income Accounting identity:
Income = Output = Expenditure
So we can look at (and measure) the same thing in 3 different ways. And this is the way the data is collected, and we want our theories to define things in the same way the data collectors define them.
So capital gains can't count as income. And expenditure on used cars can't count as expenditure. Etc.
But in practice there are lots of difficult cases, especially where we can't measure things easily, so we end up with some rather arbitrary distinctions. Like home production of goods for your own use doesn't count. (Unless you're a farmer, in the US anyway!)
Part of the underlying problem is we sometimes want to think about goods that get exchanged, for money, separately from those that don't. Because exchange, and money, matter. But then some goods are produced that are not exchanged, and some goods are exchanged that are not (newly) produced.
The world is messy. Collecting data is messy. Trying to fit any system of clean theoretical categories on a messy world is hard.
Posted by: Nick Rowe | January 07, 2021 at 08:02 AM
Nick: I know, I'm not trying to convince you, but apparently cannot resist the urge to preach (to the ether?). I guess writing has a therapeutic effect and helps me structure my own thoughts.
Philo: I think this isn't true: If I write a novel, the labor of writing is uncompensated—like repairing my own auto—so, no income. If I then sell it to a publisher, I reap a capital gain—still not income.
As soon as you sell it, it counts as a type of income. The capital gain itself is just an increase in value of the asset, in this case the novel, which means you would need to have defined the value before and after for there to be a gain. Once you sell it, the gain is 'realized'. That realization is a type of income which is then taxed. Whether or not the gain before realization is also taxed, I don't know. That would be akin to a wealth tax, not an income tax.
I think you have to look at the economy in terms of 'economic units' that are sort of black boxes from a macro perspective. Such units may be households but also, e.g. your brain. I don't know how many times your girlfriend cleaned the house or how often you went shopping, nor do I know how many novels you have up your sleave. But as soon as you find a publisher to pay you for writing said novel, that transaction is measurable and has become part of the market. That's what the market is. You have sold your ideas and received an official, and thus taxable, income in exchange. If the publisher paid you cash, that payment would be 'off the grid' / hard to trace and you could probably smuggle it past the tax authorities. That's the problem with anonymous payment technologies such as cash.
There is much discussion about the value of unpaid care work. This value does not show up in any accounting frameworks because it is not officially recorded. See Wikipedia on Feminist Economics / Exclusion of non-market activity, for example.
Regarding Taxation. It's a question of: what do the authorities know, what can they know and at which point is it easiest for them and least disruptive for us to levy a tax. Transaction taxes such as income, sales etc. are good for the authorities because transactions are easy to identify and to measure. Not sure they're optimal in other senses. Transactions seems like something one might generally want to encourage, not discourage.
Regarding arbitrariness of the concept of income. Absolutely, but I'm also not sure that marketizing intra household activity would solve any problems. Could turn out to be pretty distopian if taken to its logical conclusion. But awareness of the limits of accounting concepts is never wrong. They are man-made, after all.
Posted by: Oliver | January 07, 2021 at 09:55 AM
Philo: Oliver is right about the novel writing counting as income when you sell the novel. Weird thing is though, a firm's unsold inventories of newly-produced goods count as income, and investment expenditure. It's deemed to have sold those newly-produced goods to itself! That's the only way you can keep income=output=expenditure true.
Posted by: Nick Rowe | January 07, 2021 at 10:01 AM
a firm's unsold inventories of newly-produced goods count as income, and investment expenditure
I think you're missing a step.
My take (not an accountant): Wages and purchases of intermediate goods are expenses. If employees produce a good that can be stored, then the wage is assigned to the good. So, as viewed from the firm, the wage account is debited (employees' accounts are credited) and inventory is credited by the same amount. Once inventory is sold, then the sales account is credited and inventory is debited. Employees are not the property of a firm. They sell their output to the firm on a contractual basis (employment contract).
If you think of a firm that offers only services, then wages (and other expenses) are paid directly by customers. The firm is merely a legal construct that defines the rights and obligations of employees, management, creditors, equity and other stake holders, particularly wrt to who gets how much of what comes in and what happens when things go belly-up.
Posted by: Oliver | January 08, 2021 at 07:28 AM
"2. Money. All assets are different, but the asset that gets used as Unit of Account and Medium of Exchange is more different than all the others."
So very true! But the distinction between "used as Unit of Account" and "Medium of Exchange" should not be a source of confusion.
When money is used as a UofA, it is being used to measure something. With measurement in hand, we can report a number.
When money is used as a MofE, it is being used as an asset. The exchange cannot happen unless one of the two exchangees has ownership of the exchanged money asset.
We can reinforce this distinction by thinking of other forms of measurement. A 12 inch ruler is a good comparison in the USA. Land is measured terms of rulers (OK, I know that one ruler is commonly considered as one foot in length). So we can say that a building lot measures 100 by 200 rulers in size.
What we don't do is to require ownership of rulers to prove measurement. Nor do we require ownership of money to prove Unit of Account.
We do require ownership to use money as a Medium of Exchange.
Posted by: ROGER SPARKS | January 16, 2021 at 10:21 AM