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You don't even have to go to Inner Mongolia. Both Beijing and Shanghai seem to be stuck in a low TP equilibrium. Admittedly, my experience is a few years old. Then again, the few fancy restaurants that I visited did have TP so perhaps there exists in these cities a high TP eq. for the upper echelons of society and a low TP eq. for the less fortunate. Maybe there is hope yet?

But if no one had TP, would it really make it a less just and sustainable world?

Maybe deodorant is a clearer-cut case: if it had never been invented, I think no one would be worse off: we would all just be used to our non-deodorized smell. But once *some* people start to use it, it becomes "needed."

Hugo: "so perhaps there exists in these cities a high TP eq. for the upper echelons of society and a low TP eq. for the less fortunate."

Very probably - but to the extent that that's possible, it's symptomatic of social segregation - i.e. the less fortunate don't get near the places where abundant TP can be found.

Inner Mongolia is kind of the Saskatchewan or Alberta of China, right down to the grasslands and the museum full of local dinosaur finds. Like the prairie provinces it's been doing fairly well recently with agriculture, mining, fossil fuels etc - I didn't do a lot of shopping because prices there are higher than in the UK. But even in the trendy coffee shop that could be lifted right off of Bloor St there was no TP.

Gene - "But if no one had TP, would it really make it a less just and sustainable world?"

I've got some flak on Facebook for not discussing the fact that much of the world uses water rather than TP. I think that, for women, absence of TP is a problem in an urban environment and with modern Western clothing - I'd give up a lot of things (kitchen towel, for example) before I'd give up TP. (Men can shake off these difficulties in a way that women can't.) On the other hand, before going to Inner Mongolia I spent 5 days walking in Wales, happily popping squats behind bushes etc - found that much easier than the gas station toilet in Inner Mongolia.

Why is Paris in a scarce TP equilibrium?

I really like this post.
I love the final paragraph.

Nick - thank you! I think this is why, even though we disagree on so many things (politics, cities, gas bbqs) we write WCI together - we agree on this, which is pretty fundamental.

Nick - thank you! I think this is why, even though we disagree on so many things (politics, cities, gas bbqs) we write WCI together - we agree on this, which is pretty fundamental.

R Smith: "Why is Paris in a scarce TP equilibrium?"

The whole point of this post is that there is path dependence in economic and social equilibria. Many types of equilibria are possible, and once a place is one type of equilibrium - a scarce TP equilibrium in the case of Paris - it's hard to get out of it. These things tend to be self-sustaining. I'll post a couple of comments that were made on Facebook from friends who work in economic development that give an additional explanation of why, once a place is in a scarce TP equilibrium, it will tend to stay there.

Michelle Munro and Mark Fryars, who have worked in economic development for many years, made these comments on Facebook:

Michelle Munro: Other factors are the availability of any 'public' toilets (that are not behind a financial or security barrier) and the income generation opportunities for toilet attendants where toilets do exist. It's not unusual to provide a small payment for a square or two and for this fee to vary by customer ;-)

Mark Fryars: Or then again that handful of rare settings where the commercial sale value of a sheet of TP may exceed the face value of a low denomination banknote - which is a little more durable and hard wearing than its over marketed TP rival.... ;-)

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