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Actually, Kocherlakota's note is more along the lines of: Change the utility function so that it includes the speed of some boy racer who goes to Toronto no matter what, with a large weight. And the only equilibrium is where everyone goes to Toronto - and the speed of the character who always goes to Toronto has huge effects on everyone else's speed.

Steve: let's start in Peterborough, to make it symmetric. In my original game, with no speed limits, if one boy racer has a trembling foot and drives to Toronto at 100km/hr, the Neo-Fisherian equilibrium says the other 99 boy racers immediately head off to Ottawa at approx 10km/hr, (if I did the arithmetic right).

I'm not sure you're right about the large weight in NK's model. As Toronto gets more and more distant, the exogenous speed they all drive on the last kilometer matters more and more for the speed at which they leave Ottawa.

It sure takes a lot of piling on of debt by governments (all levels), businesses and households in this country to keep our way of life going.

The following numbers are taken from the Statistics Canada website:

At the end of September, 2015 the total debt outstanding in Canada (bottom line of the credit market summary data table) was $6.70 trillion.

At the end of September, 2014 the total debt outstanding was $6.17 trillion. In the one year period from the end of September, 2014 to the end of September, 2015 it increased by $530 billion. This is an increase of 8.5%.

The approximate beginning of the global financial crisis was June, 2007. At the end of June, 2007 the total debt outstanding was $3.99 trillion. In the last 8-1/4 years it has increased by $2.71 trillion. This is an increase of 67.9%.

Looking at the total debt outstanding in Canada of domestic non-financial sectors (17th line up from the bottom of the credit market summary data table):

At the end of September, 2015 the total debt outstanding of domestic non-financial sectors was $4.86 trillion.

At the end of September, 2014 the total debt outstanding of domestic non-financial sectors was $4.54 trillion. In the one year period from the end of September, 2014 to the end of September, 2015 it increased by $323 billion. This is an increase of 7.1%.

At the end of June, 2007 the total debt outstanding of domestic non-financial sectors was $2.84 trillion. In the last 8-1/4 years it has increased by $2.02 trillion. This is an increase of 70.9%.

The start date of this Statistics Canada data table can be changed by clicking on the “add/remove data” tab at the top of the page.

http://www5.statcan.gc.ca/cansim/pick-choisir?lang=eng&p2=33&id=3780122

Mike63: knuckledragger implied fallacy of composition, as well as totally off-topic.

I am sorry but this boy-racer analogy does not work for me.

As I understand it, the Neo-Fisherian idea is that an increase in interest rates will result in an increase in inflation at some future time. If this has any possibility of realism, it seems to me that we must look to the consumption side of interest payments for the logical reasons.

Why might I suggest this?

Interest payments consist of the payment side and the consuming side (the receiver of the payment).

The payment side of interest cash flows are provided by the borrower. The cash flow needed by the payer requires additional work by him or a corresponding reduction in his spendable income stream. This can never be anything but a discouragement for the borrower and will always be a disincentive for future borrowing.

On the other hand, the consumer of interest payments receives an interest payment. This interest payment will increase his cash flow position, increasing his spendable income. This benefit will always be present so long as interest payments are continuing. With more spendable income, the consumer of interest payments has incentive to buy more products thereby increasing the potential for inflation. The products purchased may include additional income producing assets.

Summing up this comment, I think if we are to use a boy-racer analogy to demonstrate the Neo-Fisherian idea, we would need to change the goals of the race. The winner of the race should get a prize dependent upon the percentage of excellence over his nearest competitors. With this goal, the race will always be run and only the potential winners will start.

But this change still has a problem. Why should the race be run at all? Why bring the players together to play this game? The organizer needs some kind of reward. But who would provide a source of rewards? There seems to be a need for an endogenous or exogenous spark of inspiration.

Nick,

"if one boy racer has a trembling foot and drives to Toronto at 100km/hr, the Neo-Fisherian equilibrium says the other 99 boy racers immediately head off to Ottawa at approx 10km/hr"

10km/hr or 110km/hr?

... there's a certain "boy racer" I'd like to see chime in on this post.

Tom: 10km/hr. Think it should be 12.36km/hr, according to my little calculator. But remember that's a negative speed, because they are driving in the opposite direction to the trembling foot guy.

Because 1 boy racer drives at 100, and 99 drive at 1.1xSbar, and Sbar is the average speed so Sbar = (99x1.1xSbar + 1x100)/100

Roger: we are talking about intertemporal substitution, not throwing cash at people to make them richer so they spend it.

Nick, yes, your arithmetic is correct (ignoring the sign). Thanks.

Nick, I believe to are totally right with your criticism of Neo-Fisherism. When reading the boy racing story, I wished such a perfect analogue had been my own idea.

However, after reading the comments, I get the impression that no one gets your point: That RE, NK, and Neo-Fisherism are simply absurd. Benhabib et al. pointed out as early as 2001 the "perils" of Taylor rules, i. e. the fact that you get a liquidity trap or hyperinflation after the smallest deviation from the equilibrium. Such equilibrium concepts make no sense.

PS: Why do you think that stability analysis is forbidden today?

PPS: There is one minor error in your analysis: If each car has an individual speed maximum, the properties of the second, non-trivial equilibrium depend in a complicated manner on the speed distribution. With a uniform distribution, for instance, one sixth of the drivers drives at maximum speed, the other five sixth drive at a speed 10 percent higher.

> Benhabib et al. pointed out as early as 2001 the "perils" of Taylor rules, i. e. the fact that you get a liquidity trap or hyperinflation after the smallest deviation from the equilibrium.

Taylor rules are proportional controllers, and with an output gap they are proportional-derivative controllers with basic Phillips-curve-like assumptions.

Absent ZLB considerations, these controllers are stable with enough gain (ensured over the long run with a greater-than-one coefficient on interest rate versus current inflation less target). However, while they are stable their equilibrium value is not necessarily equal to the target. In the specific case of a Taylor Rule, achieving the target inflation rate as equilibrium requires correctly estimating both the true natural rate and the output gap (or alternately having offsetting errors here).

From control theory, adding an integral term to a Taylor rule would over time correct for misestimation of its parameters. In economics terms, this would make a Taylor rule look like:

R(t) = A*(I(t)+I*) + B*(Y(t)-Y*) + C*(P(t)-P*(t)) + R0

where I is current inflation with target inflation rate I*, Y is current output with Y* its estimated potential, P is the current price level with P* the target path, and R0 is the estimated natural rate. For consistency, Y and P would likely be expressed in log terms.

For fixed coefficients A, B, and C, a persistent undershoot of the target inflation rate would result in arbitrarily large deviation from the target price level path, which would act to decrease the interest rate set-point as if R0 were re-estimated.

If all parameters were correctly estimated, at the ZLB this functional form would cause a central bank to maintain low interest rates for a longer period than a traditional Taylor rule. The price-level term would suppress interest rates (after "liftoff") until the price level was back on its pre-ZLB track.

Herbert: thanks!

When I first learned of Neo-Fisherism, I was flabbergasted. Looking back on it, I thinking it came from an overemphasis on equilibrium. "Is that the equilibrium? Then that is where we must be. This is what th model says, and we cannot interrogate the model further." No thought of how individuals would coordinate on that equilibrium. But with NK now onside, this battle is now largely won, and we are beginning to explore the interesting stuff.

You are right about that minor error.

Majro: yes, but remember one thing about control theory: it is normally applied to inanimate things that do not have expectations.

"From control theory, adding an integral term to a Taylor rule would over time correct for misestimation of its parameters."

Yes. And I think this is why we see a lagged interest rate in the estimated Taylor Rule.

My perspective on Neo-fisherism has changed a bit recently. I used to agree with you that the central issue was the stability of equilibrium. But now I think it's really about commitment.

Suppose we think in terms of setting the growth rate of the money supply, rather than the interest rate. Then the Neo-fisherian claim amounts to saying that if the Fed announces a higher future growth rate of money, this will raise both inflation and the nominal interest rate.

Would this occur in practice? If people believed that the Fed would raise money growth in the future, they would expect future inflation, which would raise current inflation and the nominal interest rate. If people didn't believe the Fed, there would be no effect, and if the Fed raised the nominal interest rate anyway (which involves contracting the current money supply) there would be deflation.

So I think the confusion clears up once we bring money back into the conversation, and realize that we're talking about two different policies. The answer depends on whether the Fed raises interest rates by contracting the current money supply, or by credibly promising future money growth. Both raise nominal interest rates, but the former is contractionary while the latter is expansionary.

Nick,

"But Narayana then puts a very small twist in the model. He introduces a small non-super-neutrality of money. The level of output is an increasing function of the inflation rate (the long run Phillips curve is not quite vertical)."

Is there a time lag between changes in the inflation rate and changes in the level of output?

"In a finite horizon model there are now multiple equilibria. By raising the nominal interest rate by 1%, the terminal equilibrium real interest rate r(T) must increase by 1% too (since p(T) is pinned down by assumption)"

In a finite horizon model with a time lag between changes in the level of output and changes in the inflation rate, you never know if your output at terminal time T has fully adjusted to prior changes in the inflation rate. And so your real interest rate at T may not be an equilibrium value, it may be a transitional value.

jonathan: I agree it helps to bring the stock of money back into the picture. When the CB "raises the nominal interest rate", does that mean (temporarily) raising or lowering the money growth rate, and what does it signal about the expected future time-path of the money supply?

Woodford thought he could do monetary policy analysis without money. But money keeps wanting to get back into the model.

Frank: see the note I linked to. There is no lag between output and inflation in his second equation.

@Majromax: Think in terms of the simplest flexible price model with exogenous endowments. From the Euler equation you get 1/beta = R/pi_t+1.

The Taylor rule is R(pi_t). Substituting yields pi_t+1 = R(pi_t)*beta, a first oder difference equation. The equilibrium is a fixed point. Under the Taylor principle R' beta > 1, the equilibrium is locally unique. That is your point.

However, the equilibrium is also unstable: Starting with pi_t somewhat above the equilibrium, you get hyperinflation. Starting below yields the ZLB. Hence, the entire model makes no sense and confirms Friedman's dictum that interest pegs do not work.

Nick:

"Woodford thought he could do monetary policy analysis without money. But money keeps wanting to get back into the model."

I would say that good macroeconomics is eclectic, and we should use different models for thinking about different issues.

Abstracting from money is quite useful in many cases, but at other times it is misleading. I think that the neo-fisherian discussion is an example of the latter.

Nick,

From his short paper:

Y(t) = E(t) * Y(t+1) - ( 1 / sigma ) * ( i%(t) - E(t) * Inf(t+1) - r% )
Inf(t) = Kappa * Y(t)
i%(t) = i%

Y(t) = E(t) * Y(t+1) - ( 1 / sigma ) * ( i% - E(t) * Inf(t+1) - r% )

Strange that while inflation expectations (E) is expressed as time varying, Kappa is treated as fixed in time (constant).

Reading a little more here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Keynesian_economics#The_New_Keynesian_Phillips_curve

Kappa = [ h * ( 1 - ( 1 - h ) * Beta ) / ( 1 - h ) ] * Gamma

From the article: "The less rigid nominal prices are (the higher is h), the greater the effect of output on current inflation."

This statement seems a little bizarre - it almost sounds like it is saying that if all prices are perfectly flexible (h is very, very big) then any change in output (real growth) will "cause" an equal / even larger change in the inflation rate. Am I reading that right?


The upper bound is perhaps what happened in Zimbabwe, where the inflation rate got so high that people stopped using the Zimbabwe dollar.

You presume that the boy racers know the capability of their vehicles (and each other), but there's no way a central bank can really know how far it will get away with pushing the general public on price inflation, nor can it know what the other countries will get away with. When hyper-inflation does happen, it tends to be a little at first then all of a sudden without an easily measurable event horizon.

That said, in the real world, the impact of price inflation at street level hasn't been all that bad (yet) and the central banks have sworn an oath to achieve more inflation, so either there are psych games and fakery afoot, or there's a problem with your "foot to the floor" equilibrium.

Tel: If boys racers are uncertain about the top speeds of their own and others' cars, it won't affect my point that there is a second equilibrium. It just makes it more complicated to figure out what it is.

Nick, it also makes it more difficult for the participants to figure out where the equilibrium is... but wait, the utility function does depend on what other participants are doing, so every boy racer must be pretty darn cautious about evaluating that utility function. How to calculate a derivative on a function you cannot evaluate? There might be ways to do it, but we are in somewhat different territory I think.

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