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Can you extend this model to an open economy with competitive suppliers of both products? That would be the more useful discussion and slightly closer to reality.

Jci: I think it could be done. But unless you assumed zero transport costs, that foreign and domestic carrots (grapes) were perfect substitutes for each other, and small economy, I think the results would be just the same. Because otherwise you would still need the relative price of carrots to rise to get no change in real GDP.

I'm wondering if David might say that if the govt was borrowing money to buy all the carrots and every year increased its borrowing by 2% to pay the higher carrot prices until one year it decided it wanted to slow down the rate of increase of its total debt. Then the CB would find it unsustainable to maintain carrot inflation at 2% in the long run and would start missing its target.

Grapes not carrots :)

What does a graph of UK nominal GDP look like over the same timespan?

I think that monetary offset plus NGDP targeting (not that the UK did this) could achieve results that look like the UK result.

Imagine that the government does nothing but build roads, which are not built by the private sector. In the absence of roads, the private sector builds inefficient footpaths (plus its normal output of carrots and haircuts). Fiscal austerity results in the government building fewer roads, since that's the only thing that it does in this model, and the monetary authority responds by keeping NGDP perfectly aligned with a prescribed path.

If the marginal road was a "bridge to nowhere," then not building that road increases real GDP, since *anything* produced by the private sector would be of greater value.

If the marginal road was more effective than a footpath, however, then not building the road decreases real GDP, as the private sector must devote resources to less-productive substitutes. With a fixed aggregate demand, we would expect to see higher inflation, less labour market productivity, and higher employment, in ratios that depend on elasticities. This seems to be consistent with UK results.

In turn, this gives the nice and cozy suggestion that with monetary offset, the socially optimal level of government spending is slowly-varying.

MF: I don't think David would say that. The government could keep the *nominal* prices of carrots (and grapes) growing at 2% per year just by increasing the money supply by 2% per year.

Majro: "If the marginal road was a "bridge to nowhere," then not building that road increases real GDP, since *anything* produced by the private sector would be of greater value."

Remember that government-produced goods are valued at cost in National Income Accounting, so if the road to nowhere cost $1 billion to build, it would be valued at $1 billion in calculating NGDP.

Nick,

Isn't David's recent post (http://andolfatto.blogspot.ca/2015/05/understanding-lowflation.html) saying that the CB couldn't sustainably increase the money supply without fiscal support?

"If the central bank holds the money-to-debt ratio fixed, then inflation is determined by the growth rate of nominal government debt (minus the growth rate in the real demand for such debt). The two forces determining inflation in this case are (1) the fiscal authority, which chooses the growth rate of nominal debt and (2) the economic forces, domestic and foreign, influencing the rate of growth in the demand for government debt."

(And in addition I understood him to mean that it is not sustainable to increase the money-to-debt ratio to hit the target).

For a second there I thought you were channelling Arnold Kling. Alas it was not to be.

> Remember that government-produced goods are valued at cost in National Income Accounting, so if the road to nowhere cost $1 billion to build, it would be valued at $1 billion in calculating NGDP.

That's why I was trying to be careful with the real/nominal distinction. A bridge to nowhere adds to NGDP, but if it provides no real benefit then it will only increase the price level without increasing the supply (over the short or long term) of consumption goods.

With an NGDP target and perfect monetary offset, the NGDP path is fixed. The government can decide what ratio of that nominal GDP is allocated between public and private goods, and by failing to invest in high-marginal return public goods it can decrease productivity and real GDP. (Usually the economics argument is the inverse, where the government over-invests in low return public goods. These are not, of course, mutually exclusive.)

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