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Some see things as they are ... some see things as they could be ...

Lord: true. But how things are now, is how things could have been in the past. Things weren't always like this, and they won't always be like this.

Nick,

I think you're conflating levels & growth rates here. In particular, what do each of you mean by "...but expected x(t+1) is unchanged"? In Paul's notation, if M(t) increases but expected M(t+1) is unchanged, that's a level shift, assuming 'unchanged' means 'from its value at time t", that is M(t+1) = M(t). But in your notation the equivalent would be that m(t+1) = m(t-1): money growth was 0 until t-1 was (say) 5% in t, and is then 0 thereafter. Said another way (and this is literally off the top of my head), are you mixing money neutrality with super-neutrality?

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Pete: I have edited the post slightly, to clarify what I meant.

So both you and Krugman have the same diagnosis- that the central bank cannot *mechanically* lift an economy out of a recession at the zero lower bound, and that monetary policy can work only if the central bank increases expectations of the future money supply, which requires them to back away from promises to target inflation rates once the economy leaves the liquidity trap. The only difference is that you say "so get the CB to drop the inflation rate targeting" and he says "good luck doing that, time for fiscal policy".
Am I missing some other distinction?
Also, if you were convince the central bank was inflexible in its policy rules, would you consider fiscal policy the next efficacious option? I.e. do you doubt the effectiveness of government deficits to boost AD in that monetary backdrop, and/or do you see other policy options getting better traction?

louis: but if the central bank sticks to the same inflation target, fiscal policy won't work either. The central bank will offset it.

Krugman lost me with:
"Now suppose that we’re in a New Keynesian world in which prices are temporarily sticky; so P is given. And suppose we’re at the zero lower bound, so r=0. Then there’s only one moving part here: the expected future price level. Anything you do — monetary or fiscal — affects current consumption to the extent, and only to the extent, that it moves the expected future price level. Full stop, end of story."

Is he really saying that fiscal policy works (in this model) by increasing the future price level? If that is even possible, it's surely not what any normal person means by fiscal policy. Setting the price level is monetary policy.

Max: "Is he really saying that fiscal policy works (in this model) by increasing the future price level?"

No, he's not saying that. He's saying that Y=C+G, and C depends only on the future price level, so a $1 increase in G causes a $1 increase in Y.

> Setting the price level is monetary policy.

Is it? This is the fuzzy middle of language. To finance writers, setting interest rates is monetary policy. To gold bugs, setting the price of gold is monetary policy.

Krugman is operating from the assumption that the CB "can't" (with respect to its available tools) change the future price level by itself. That in turn means that it can't actually be setting the price level by monetary policy.

Nick, okay, good. My next puzzlement is, what counts as G in this model? Krugman was assuming no investment, so would the government have to purchase consumer goods and distribute them?

Max: that won't work, because if the government buys one loaf of bread and gives it to me, that simply means that I buy one less loaf of bread, and consume the same total amount of bread. It simply means the government is doing my shopping for me. It has to be something I would not have bought myself. (But if it's something I don't want, then Y goes up, but utility does not go up, because all the extra G is wasted. So it has to be some sort of public good, that priveds utility to people, but people can't buy for themselves.)

Nick - presumably the CB is missing its inflation target in the current period, or more importantly, some growth in AD would still be consistent with hitting the inflation rate target. That's what makes the liquidity trap meaningful. If fiscal policy closes the output gap, the cb need not offset the effect on output if the rate of inflation hasn't moved above target.
And there's no need for a monetary offset in future periods, because the fiscal stimulus is temporary by its nature.
We're used to talking about offsets when the monetary authority has the power to create full employment on its own, but that is less meaningful once we've ruled that out.

Nick, I see. That really narrows the possibilities for what G could be. War would qualify.

Max: yes, but also stuff like roads and sewers.

I wish I could remember a lovely quote from P.J. O'Rourke, speaking to happy east europeans after communism collapsed. Something like "Government is supposed to be about boring stuff, like making sure the sewers work."

It seems to me that you are interpreting "doing nothing" as "doing what you usually do". E. g., under a gold standard the usual thing is to redeem notes with specie (or maybe bullion) at a set ratio. Today, the usual thing is not to redeem notes with specie or bullion at all. No?

Nick Rowe: "I wish I could remember a lovely quote from P.J. O'Rourke, speaking to happy east europeans after communism collapsed. Something like "Government is supposed to be about boring stuff, like making sure the sewers work."

Too bad he wasn't talking to US politicians. They haven't been taking care of the boring stuff for a long, long time.

"presumably the CB is missing its inflation target in the current period, or more importantly, some growth in AD would still be consistent with hitting the inflation rate target. That's what makes the liquidity trap meaningful."

Now I'm confused, because we were told that the UK was in a liquidity trap back in the early years of the decade, but while it was true that the Bank of England was missing its inflation target, it was OVERSHOOTING its target from January 2010 to February 2012. So what happens when we relax the idealisation of below-target inflation?

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