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My first thought was: so real wages increased faster during the recession than previously. OK, so that confirms that wages are stickier than prices.

But there's something a little strange about the third and fourth graphs. The fourth graph shows 2006-2012, which isn't very different from 2007-2012. But the blue 2006-2012 graph is so strongly above the red 1997-2006 graph. Was there a big real wage increase in 2006-2007?

Well, the vertical scale *is* different. But I think it's more that the pre-2002 data are dragging down the 1997-2006 data.

eta: I just added a link to a graph with the same vertical axis.

This is why more charts should be presented as animated gifs, one curve or a 3 yr moving average, per second, with the year flashed at the bottom right as you see the distribution evolve in time.

Stephen, did the micro-data you cut-off very high and low earnings? Whenever I looked at PUMS I had to discard the ends because of this.

To avoid misunderstandings: This is about wages, right? So unemployed drop out of the distribution? Then isn't the increase in the lowest percentile possibly driven by, say, very-low income workers becoming unemployed during a recession so that the rest of the former distribution is stretched over the whole range now?

Does this include pension and benefits?

rsj: I know the census PUMF truncate income at the top, but I don't recall seeing anything about that in the LFS documentation (it may be, I just don't remember seeing it). But even if they aren't, the point is still well-taken. The numbers at the extremes - say, the top/bottom 2% or 3% - should definitely be taken with a grain if salt. But the real story IMV is what's happening across the entire distribution.

Joe: Yes, it's about wages.

Robert: No. I wanted to see what was happening in the labour market.

Hi,

Green and Sand do the following:

- fulltime workers only
- weeks worked between 1 and fullyear
- total income>0
- divide annual earnings by weeks to get weekly earnings
- use log(weekly earnings)

The picture looks quite different when you actually do what Green and Sand do. Myself, I would be much more hesitant to make definitive statements in comparing some LFS results using a different measure to what Green and Sand did.

I will post some charts using the SLID shortly.

I wasn't actually trying to reproduce the Green and Sand results, especially insofar as they only looked at full-time workers. The reduction in earnings from cutting back on hours worked by part-time workers during the recession is something I wanted to take into account.

Here is my post:
http://blogs.ubc.ca/kevinmilligan/2013/12/15/earnings-growth/

Three conclusions:

* Median earnings growth is greater than zero for males since 1996. This is good news.

* Earnings growth continues to be skewed, in particular in the top 10 percent. Male earnings polarization appears to be continuing up to 2010.

* It is important to use similar data and methodology when comparing results to those in the literature.

Hi Stephen. What's the difference between this one you just posted
https://twitter.com/stephenfgordon/status/412313038520197121

and the ones in the blog post above? Thanks.

The graphs above are the growth rates of a given percentile over 2 points in time: eg, change in 75th percentile between 2007 and 2012.

The graph I posted on twitter took the average of a given percentile over 1997-2000 and compared it to the average of the same percentile over 2006-10.

Hi,

Are you averaging the percentage growth, or averaging the earnings then calculating the percentage growth?

I just posted here https://twitter.com/kevinmilligan/status/412328192527958016 2010 vs 1996, no 5-yr averaging. Still see big take-off of earnings at the top.

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