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If this is due to a strike, as some other posters suggested, then the numbers won't show up in the EI claims. EI does not pay benefits for strikes. Further there is the significant number of people in non-standard employment that is uninsured or who have insufficient hours to make a claim.

In the preceding thread on this topic, a commenter pointed to some statscan data that suggests the job losses a pretty widespread.

Could internal migration be part of it? Maybe they got *fed* up and moved to Canada.

Since when does moving out of Quebec constitute moving to Canada? I thought that expression was confined to cranky old Newfoundlanders who refused to accept the New Order. ;)

Seriously, due to language preferences I believe Quebec workers are the least prone to move to another province of Canadian workers. If you want to work in French or can only work that language, Quebec is the place for you, maybe Moncton but that's it.

Dunno about that. AB needs workers and if you're English is so-so, that's not too big a problem. I have colleagues from Asia whose English is honestly pretty bad, but we still manage pretty well. I hear quite a bit of French in these parts. Believe it or not, there's a Franco-Albertan community in northern AB (look at a map: St. Albert, Lac la Biche, Vermillion), and St. Albert is quite the upscale are (little to suburban for my tastes, but the school are apparently pretty good). You can send you kids to French school in Edmonton and St. Albert, live mostly in French, pay AB taxes, and never hear about separation again. What's not to like?

Hehe. No Seperation? Jacques' head would explode. ;)

Hold it, isn't there an Alberta separatist movement?

Could the fact that the LFS is reconciled with the 2006 census be an issue? It's now over 5 years since that census was taken. If there have been some notable population shifts since then, is it possible that the weight given to some LFS answers is wrong? And therefore skewing the results?

I'm not a statistician, but would love to hear the opinion of a statistician on this.

I'm grappling with a similar puzzle with the LFS at a more micro level in Calgary. It's not showing as many jobs being created as other evidence suggests has occurred.

I was wondering about that. Of course, even if the 2011 census were usable, they'd still be using the 2006 numbers at this point.

But I wonder if there are other examples of wonky LFS numbers five years or so after the census that's used to balance the panel.

Guess we need a statistician.

On the Quebec question, I do have the latest LFS for Montreal by NAICS code. Net, Montreal is down 20,000 jobs since January 2011. However, there are gainers and losers in the different industry categories. Biggest drop over the past 12 months has been FIRE (-20,000 jobs), followed by health care (-14,000 jobs) and info-culture (-10,000). Biggest gains in Educational services and Accommodation/food.

Does this help you figure out what is going on in any way?

Wendy : given the size of these sectors, the data makes no sense. To lose 14,000 in health services requires massive cuts in hospitals, which didn't happened.
10,000 in communications cultures? Essentially everyone in the sector would be out in the street.
We need a very good statistician.


I agree that some of the stats don't make sense. In Calgary the stats also show a strong drop in FIRE employment which no one can find evidence of (and Calgary is a small enough place that a drop of 11,000 positions over the past 3 years would be noticed (7,000 in the past year alone).

I wonder if the LFS is up to something. Either a different methdology or weighting; FIRE jobs in other cities don't quite make sense to me either (and I've been tracking these closely since 2008, and the past few months is the first time things looked really odd).

We need a LFS statistician, I think. Not just any Statistician.

Wendy: in the meanwhile, the press is going its usually abject ways.
Just look at this column by La Presse's Alain Dubuc ( who is an economist by trainig but turnedcoat for the media ethos, such at it is).

I didn't have the heart in me to check the anglo press.

Why,oh why, can't we have a better press corps?

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