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I don't believe in ISLM. Okay, okay, it has a descriptive value, but I think that as a policy tool following an unexpected event its misleading.

If you're at a stable equilibrium in ISLM, and you do a very good job staying there, the model works, but once a 'shock' occurs, the model becomes very dangerous.

It becomes dangerous because 1) the shape of the curves is known only locally around the current equilibrium point when it exists, 2) the shape of the ISLM curves are shifted in an unknowable way by the shock, 3) there are exogenous factors which disrupt the continuity of the curves which cause policy decisions that follow a particular trajectory of recovery after a shock to disastrously and unexpectedly fail because they require the policy aggregates to pass through structurally impossible points--e.g. because of short-run monetary illusion.

"After many years of doing mostly university administration, I'm teaching ISLM again. I'm teaching it to MA Public Administration students. Naturally, they have less economics background than MA economics students, and (like me) don't have much maths. And their primary focus is on public policy: fiscal and monetary policy."

Ask them if they know the difference between currency and currency denominated debt (for them just debt).

I think this a good place for this link and part of the post.

http://economistsview.typepad.com/economistsview/2010/03/target-the-cause-not-the-symptom.html

"So what are the main takeaways from this analysis? First, inflation targeting is only effective when AD shocks are the main source of macroeconomic volatility. If AS shocks are also important,then inflation targeting can be destabilizing. Second, a far more effective approach to minimizing macroeconomic volatility is to stabilize AD. In the above scenarios, stabilizing AD growth around a 5% target was all that was needed."

Thoughts?

"After many years of doing mostly university administration, I'm teaching ISLM again. I'm teaching it to MA Public Administration students. Naturally, they have less economics background than MA economics students, and (like me) don't have much maths. And their primary focus is on public policy: fiscal and monetary policy."

Ask them when they hear fiscal policy, do they think currency denominated gov't debt. Should they also think currency?

I could use some picture here, but if I'm remembering correctly, I believe that some people have drawn graphs with ISLM showing negative interest rates.

Ask them if over time, they can figure out what negative interest rates in the graph mean.

Nick:

In the Abel, Bernanke, and Croushore Intermediate Macro textbook a vertical full employment (FE) line is added to the ISLM model. It makes for a more sensible and intuitive ISLM model. Hereis someone's PPT file that shows FE in use in a ISLM model.

Jon: I think you are being too hard on the ISLM. First, it need not be purely a "descriptive" model; it is possible to give theoretical underpinnings to the model (or, most theoretically-based macro models can be interpreted in terms of the ISLM). Second, it's just a theory of AD, and so doesn't need to assume money illusion. It's the SRAS curve, if any, which might suffer from money illusion. Third, I think your other criticisms can be made of any macro model.

Too much Fed: there are two (main) differences: currency does not pay interest, and other nominal debts do; and currency is a medium of exchange, and most other nominal debts aren't (except demand deposits at commercial banks). I think they know this.

I'm still undecided over whether inflation targeting or NGDP targeting is better.

David: Actually, we are using the Canadian version of the same text (Ron Kneebone from U Calgary instead of Croushure). I'm still undecided about the usefulness of the FE line. My normal preference is to use the ISLM to derive an AD curve, in {P,Y} space, and then use LRAS and SRAS curves in the same space. So the FE line isn't really needed. Plus, even though there are theoretical reasons why LRAS should be vertical in {P,Y} space, it is theoretically quite possible (even likely), that the FE/LRAS curve should slope upwards in {r,Y} space. An increased real interest rate may lead to intertemporal substitution of leisure, so shift the Ns curve right.

Nick,

I like the FE line because it allows me to get into discussions of the neutral interest rate (the long-run equilibrium position of the interest rate) compared to what monetary policy is doing with interest rates (the short-run equilibrium positive of interest rates) . For example, if there is a positive productivity shock that shifts the FE line right we can see what happens to the neutral rate and we can also see whether the central bank in the short run allows the interest rate to go to its long-run, neutral rate level or causes it to temporarily deviate. This is a useful discussion that complements what we can show in the AD-AS model.

David: Yes. Good point.

David Beckworth said: "For example, if there is a positive productivity shock that shifts the FE line right we can see what happens to the neutral rate and we can also see whether the central bank in the short run allows the interest rate to go to its long-run, neutral rate level or causes it to temporarily deviate. This is a useful discussion that complements what we can show in the AD-AS model."

Add in a "cheap labor shock" and please expand on that.

Nick,

You wrote, "The effects of fiscal and monetary policy depend on the slopes of the IS and LM curves."

Only if we live in a two asset world.


David,

I like the use of the FE line as well. Thanks for bringing it up.

Nick's post said: "Too much Fed: there are two (main) differences: currency does not pay interest, and other nominal debts do; and currency is a medium of exchange, and most other nominal debts aren't (except demand deposits at commercial banks). I think they know this."

I'm going to put up another difference based on time while adding savings.

Granted that an asset might need to be sold to get a medium of exchange; savings spent is past demand brought to the present, currency spent is present demand in the present, and currency denominated debt is future demand brought to the present.

Nick's post said: "I'm still undecided over whether inflation targeting or NGDP targeting is better."

Let's just go with 2% price inflation and 3% real GDP growth for a total nominal GDP growth of about 5%.

If an aggregate supply shock happens that lowers price inflation and helps create excess savers, what needs to happen to get nominal GDP of about 5%?

Nick's post said: "I'm still undecided over whether inflation targeting or NGDP targeting is better."

Let's just go with 2% price inflation and 3% real GDP growth for a total nominal GDP growth of about 5%.

If an aggregate supply shock happens that lowers price inflation and helps create excess savers, what needs to happen to get nominal GDP of about 5%?

Too much Fed: "If an aggregate supply shock happens that lowers price inflation and helps create excess savers, what needs to happen to get nominal GDP of about 5%?" If the IS shifts left ("excess savers") and the AS shifts right, the interest rate falls so that consumption and investment demand increase enough to get nominal GDP growth of 5%.

With a nominal GDP target, the LM curve is vertical, and the AD curve is a rectangular hyperbola.

Nick's post said: "If the IS shifts left ("excess savers") and the AS shifts right, the interest rate falls so that consumption and investment demand increase enough to get nominal GDP growth of 5%."

I believe that consumption and investment demand increase needs some more detail, like balance sheets of the entities and certain assumptions.

Nick's post said: "With a nominal GDP target, the LM curve is vertical, and the AD curve is a rectangular hyperbola."

I think I need a picture for that one but interesting.

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