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That's a great argument, but again, the stimulus package is not protectionism! Nobody is raising tariffs! The government is simply choosing where it purchases (a tiny proportion of goods) from selectively, which is the right of any consumer in the market. The populace is free to spend their paycheck on goods from whatever country they want.

And contrary to the "slippery slope" claim, it looks like the "buy American" clauses in the stimulus might be removed anyway due to the international pressures you mentioned.

anonymous: Thanks, and an interesting counter-argument from you. Now, suppose every country agreed with you, and said that this policy is not "protectionism". If so, there might be a "line in the sand" between these policies and full-blown protectionism. Symbols like this matter in coordination games with multiple equilibria. They provide focal points. But I'm less optimistic. Many trade agreements (I think) have defined them as "protectionism". And they have similar effects, in other contexts, though not in this political economy context, as I have learned from Paul Krugman's post.

Nick - I also commented on Paul's recent post on this topic:

econospeak.blogspot.com/2009/02/buy-american-is-there-trade-off-between.html

Canada could counter that with a declaration that Buy National policies which impact Canadian exporters will decide which countries' auto companies get bailouts.

I agree with you.

But then again, you can always expect clear thinking from an economist.

By the way, you did a great job predicting the present crisis. Who knew that the future could be so easily predicted by graphs and charts. Predicting economic trends from graphs and charts is almost as reliable as reading the entails of freshed killed fowl.

Based on your brillant argument, I agree that there should be no protectionalism whatsoever anywhere in the world. This way the country with the lowest wages, the worse labor laws, and least amout of environmental protection can dominate the world economy.

And isn't this what would be best for the world?

Nick is winning my heart with this: It's a lovely piece of economic analysis. But I still think it's wrong. but he has no idea what a pest I can B with no economic credentials.
..so although this...exhilarating... dimension of criticism is irresistible, the illumination...not so much.
For instance: "(The basic macroeconomics behind it is also wrong under flexible exchange rates, but that's another story, discussed in my previous post.) " was an argument made by a Canadian economist (with tons of experience...and a sense of humor!...still, after all these years!) who witnessed a 30% swing in fx CAN/US$ in a week (ok, maybe it was only 4 days...short!)...demolishing for everyone else, the purity of the fx market whose flexibility is managed like the current stock market, by large private interests...the invisible hands...not yours and mine.
See? I'm not even out of the short 1st paragraph yet...a real pest!
Ok, that is my cue: 1 paragraph at a time.
Do you feel that the transnationals, who have no representation with the gov, also have no influence? [Once politicians are allowed to use the policy lever of protectionism, they won't just move it to where Paul Krugman wants them to move it; they will move the lever all the way to "full".] Steel tariffs did not last too long with the last admin....but of course nothing lasted. Hard to believe that the transnationals are as threatened as you suggest...of course, the real threat is NOW: the consumer base is...spent, I make it.

Test

If you look at section 1110 of H.R.1 you may be interested to spot a get-out clause in the Buy American provision:

http://www.knowingandmaking.com/2009/02/buy-american-get-out-clause.html


Leigh Caldwell nailed it, and NYC gets its Bombadier subway cars again.

"Now, suppose every country agreed with you, and said that this policy is not "protectionism". If so, there might be a "line in the sand" between these policies and full-blown protectionism. Symbols like this matter in coordination games with multiple equilibria."

Now suppose that w/e/ they and us (Canada) are the only ones who don't put country first. Find the equilibria, and specify why you would think that recovery would be quicker in those countries that let the others "free ride" on their non-protectionist efforts viz a viz, say, China.

Ken, is the EU being protectionist, too? I was under the impression it was mostly just the UK. Either way, Germany's economy is too export-oriented for it to let the EU put up too many tariffs.

I'm losing it...not like those lawyers drafting that legislation that Leigh links to...they know how to carve out their business in advance --just write it in bold: "in the public interest".
So remind me again what itiz that needs protecting? Yeah, those national industries, but that was yesterday...when there seemed to be no end to what the US consumer could ingest...until they got all bunged up on House prices.
Don't forget Poland!
Did you?
Ok, those pickles, need protecting...against.
From now on it's hotdogs. Period.
Austerity is us. Hysteria if you are lucky!

Why do I think this issue is so twisted?
So deceptive...izit the house prices sitting way up there like an anvil about to fall?...or what's left of your retirement savings about to be zonked by a $US headed for the moon?
Do you figure that the transnationals are about to be vanquished or triumphant in this slosh?
Do you figure human beings can remain calm, cool and collected in an environment of scarce pickles?

The move to protectionism is popular for a reason. Because the gains from trade in the USA have not been equitably distributed, as a visit to Michigan will immediately show you. In fact, speaking of political economy, it turns out that it is next to impossible under current political systems to distribute the gains from trade equitably. If so, than the American worker will quite rationally want to protect his/her position by restricting trade.

Until America has a growing industrial base, watch for protectionist pressures to increase. Or social unrest. One or the other. People are expecting Obama to save their jobs, not get them cheaper stuff at Wal-Mart.

Mandos: everybody wants protection against competition which harms them, but also wants protection against protectionism which harms them. It was ever thus. But the arguments pro and con protectionism are different in a world where aggregate demand is the constraint on output and employment. My argument is that protectionism does not increase aggregate demand, output and employment, even if other countries don't retaliate. One of the reasons protectionism is popular is because a lot of people think it does increase aggregate demand. They are wrong.

Mandos: everybody wants protection against competition which harms them, but also wants protection against protectionism which harms them. It was ever thus.

NO. Everyone wants a stable income, a stable roof over their heads, and a future for their children which is the same or better than what they already have. What people want protection against is what harms what they currently have, and in particular the political choices of others who harm it for their own increase.

Protectionism is popular because they don't see why they should suffer for the political choices to adjust or maintain trade regimes that cause them to lose their jobs, homes, and communities en masse, not because of some abstract talk about aggregate demand.

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